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James Martin, S.J., is joined by James K.A. Smith on the “The Spiritual Life” podcast. Jamie is a leading scholar of St. Augustine, and a professor of philosophy at Calvin University. He’s written several books—including “Desiring the Kingdom,” “You Are What You Love,” “On the Road with Saint Augustine,” and his latest, “Make Your Home in This Luminous Dark: Mysticism, Art, and the Path of Unknowing.” Together, they chart the contours of St. Augustine’s life, spirituality, and theological patrimony in the Church, along with Jamie’s own spiritual life.